[OCCAID] Proposal for EINTAP

[Adam Davenport]

Just because a policy has been set, does not mean it will be actively 
enforced.  Look at how many hundreds and probably thousands of laws that 
are on the books that are not actively enforced.

If you don't make yourself a problem, you probably won't have any.  If 
you do make yourself a problem however, well then there is policy to 
handle it :)

Adam

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 2:20 am, Tristan Santore wrote:
> Miles Nordin wrote:
>
>>>>>>> "tm" == Tom McNeely <tom at cnacs.occaid.org> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>
>>    tm> http://www.occaid.org/proposals/eintap.txt
>>
>> dnsspam?!
>>
>> It seems odd for an experimental network to have formal disciplinary
>> procedures for a behavior that does no harm to others just because
>> some people think it's unfashionable or juvenile.  Such procedures
>> don't create a climate conducive to experimenting.  In my opinion
>> members should be encouraged to do things with no practical value, and
>> certainly shouldn't be ``disciplined'' for doing something harmless
>> just because many people think it looks dumb.
>>
>> I don't have any so-called ``DNS spam'' in my network right now, but I
>> do have one guy that set his IPv6 address to ::dead:beef:dead:beef or
>> something.  Next will that be forbidden too because someone thinks
>> it's unfashionable or childish, or because ``IPv6 addresses were
>> intended as opaque numerals for routing purposes only and were never
>> meant to spell things''?
>>
>> newsgroups like alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die were tolerated even
>> though they actually caused some extra disk seeks on the news server.
>> Sysadmins bitched about it, but no reasonable person filtered out
>> those groups or tried to ``discipline'' the creators.  By comparison,
>> dnsspam is just stupid-looking and harmless.
>>
>> The strict prohibition and dispute procedure for so-called DNS spam
>> strikes me as a pet vendetta more ridiculous than the practice it was
>> meant to stop.  I'm sorry if I'm stepping on someone's toes here, but
>> I acutally find the attitude pretty disturbing and dangerous.  And
>> this opinion is coming from someone who agrees long domain names that
>> spell things are stupid and who doesn't do it.
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> Hi everybody,
>
> ater doing some testing with spamcalc I must strongly say that I fully 
> agree with Miles oppinion on that issue. I do use a longer hostname 
> myself...and yes i do use it on irc, which is prolly the main reason 
> why people use hostnames like e.g. my.oppinion.is.me.uk could be one. 
> Which is classed as dns spam. Saying that though i do not use 
> ridiculous dns names. But in my oppinion I dont see how people would be 
> bothered by a longer than usual dns name. I mean you would not see that 
> dns name unless u were looking at peoples hostmasks. Also I dont see 
> that the overhead would be that much higher, but please correct me if I 
> am wrong. Its a bit odd how it decides on if something is dns spam or 
> not anyway.
>
> Only a short while ago governments in Europe were discussing (still 
> are) if isp's should keep logs of peoples surfing habits, so that these 
> could be used for criminal investigations etc.
>
> Lets ask ourselves, if we start to regulate the internet in certain 
> ways, wont we destroy the whole idea of it ? People are not causing a 
> nuisance really by using a longer dns name. People who exploit ipv6 and 
> their tunnel for DOS attacks or other malicious activity deserve to be 
> disciplined, because they are actively causing a nuisance and more work 
> for others.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tristan
>
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