[OCCAID] RE: [SPAM] Occaid Digest, Vol 19, Issue 10

[Neil]

> 
> I would first like to point out that at this time I haven't even set up any
> rdns so however this turns out really has no affect on me at all.  So I
> guess I feel like I can approach this with at least a semi-impartial
> opinion.  That being said, I think that this reasoning is bs.
> 
> How many donating corporations sit on IRC all day and dns, then trace the
> source of the IP block of any person they see with a hostname they dislike?
> I really really really don't think that's going to be a reason for anyone
> who would normally donate not to.  And if it is I think they need a nice
> reality check if they base occaid solely on some of it's end users.  Are you
> going to not donate to tsunami victims in asia because some of the people
> handing out aid are known terrorists?  To be quite honest, I don't think
> annoying hostnames represent "kiddies" being on the network period.  I
> *REALLY* hope that any donating member wouldn't pull their donations because
> of what a few of the end users of the project are doing with their address
> space.  If it's not hurting the network, who cares?  I would think they'd be
> more inclined to pull funding knowing that you were putting restrictions on
> it's use which in my mind makes it less of an "educational" network.

sounds like this is coming from someone who wasn't involved with donation
process to occaid at all. no offense though.

as being the dns hostmaster responsible for d.1.0.4.e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa, i can
tell you we were praised by some of our donors for focusing in routing
academics by our members through framework than transiting IRC bits. we would
only encourage more sponsorship by blocking irc in my personal opinion. by the
same token, we, being low level network OPERATORS than POLITICIANS, don't want
to filter traffic on the network and get into political debates.

if you have problem with spamcalc framework on our network, get a /48 from
someone else, less work for me. as SJC says, feel free to use our network to
send bits from such /48 to better improve your IRC experience for all i care.

i dont see why people are so frantic about a framework. nothing is perfect in 
this world. and as being a non-profit network that moves largest traffic in the
ipv6 world today, we have no time to monitor all our end user activities. we
have no interest to be bunch of police. if you have problem with the
framework, don't make yourself become the problem to get noticed by an operator.

just how many rules are internaly or by makeshift created within occaid that
are being actively enforced today? absolutely, none.

There are tens of script kiddies sitting on 3ffe:401d::/32 by the look right
now. it is a sad but true fact. but are we going to care? they didn't create
any problems nor did we receive abuse reports. so why waste time dealing with
the issue about a FRAMEWORK when these so-called kiddies didn't inconvene any
one? if you think we have the human resources to be dedicated full-time on some
non-profit project, Think Different[tm].

my 0.02

	-ndf

> There's already a policy in place that removes any user who's taking
> extensive DOS attacks... I think that in and of itself solves the entire
> problem of it becoming a "kiddie" network.
> 
>   I can whois and paste you a dozen different "kiddies" on IRC right now who
> would all fly well below spamcalc, which is just one more reason I think
> that the reasoning of this preventing "kiddies" from joining up is BS.  And
> in all reality, any "kiddie" who would use some rediculously long and
> annoying hostname probably wouldn't know the fist thing about setting up
> BIND anyways, so it doesn't really matter.
> 
> Spamcalc in and of itself is flawed, hell, one of the occaid bots scores a
> 73... "jeeps.are.wacky.ws".  Regardless, I really don't see any benefit to
> the project, and I *REALLY* don't see it keeping kiddies out.  Sounds like
> someone's personal vendetta more than anything to me because that reasoning
> just doesn't hold water.  Anyways, just adding my 2c, and as I said, it
> really doesn't affect me one way or the other.  Hopefully I didn't make
> anyone too upset :)  Keep up the good work guys.  Hopefully I have my
> thoughts collected into an understandable format as I'm kind of in a hurry.
> 
> Tim


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